Logan contacted me and wrote, “God is capable of anything, right?
Okay, Marvin. Can God make an object so heavy that He Himself can't lift it?”
My response to Logan was, “I appreciate sincere questions, Logan. Ask me one.”
Still waiting
Patrick wrote, “I'm not here to hate. But as an outsider, it is exhausting to see christians making such claims on a regular basis. I wish you well. I don't know why your ads reached me, but I can assure you that I am not your target audience, friend. Have a blessed week.”
My response, “Thank you for not hating.
I wish you would read the claims and consider them. It might be refreshing rather than exhausting.”
Marvin McKenzie
In the fields
https://marvinmckenzie.org/why
Kyle wrote me to say the following,
______is this bigoted nonsense being _________ to me?
I sent him the following definition of the word bigoted. “utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.” I then asked him if it might be he who was bigoted.
His response is inappropriate for me to repeat and confirms my suspicions about who is really bigoted. :-)
Marvin McKenzie
In the fields
Rob jumped into the conversation I've had with Michael (perhaps that will inspire Michael to keep on). Rob's present course is to bait me into doing all of the reasoning while they provide no documentation, reason, or substance for their position.
Rob
Marvin, that’s not how the burden of proof works. You are presenting your case, that means the burden falls on you. If you are going to try to make a convincing argument, you can at least attempt to make a sound one.
Honest Answers - Honest?
I am happy to report that, so far, my conversation with Michael has not concluded. Micheal began his conversation by questioning the honesty of my honest answers.
Michael
Honest? Clicked the link and saw “Baptist”... I doubt there is any honesty there.. and even less science...
Did you happen to read the pages Michael?
Michael
Marvin McKenzie yes... and there is very little science in them.
Ok. Thank you for reading. Would you tell me which pages you read? Would you like to give a specific objection we could consider?
Michael
there is a lot that is just plain wrong. For example:
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1. This arrangement in nature tells us that nature’s cause must have enough intelligence to design the arrangement.
A big bang could not have done that. Sure, an explosion is a cause
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Must have an intelligence? You provide nothing to support this.
The big bang was not an explosion.
And the bias towards god being the intelligence is all over the place...
Where did god come from? Please don’t invoked special pleading.
But overall, this rabbit hole of false analysis just muddies everything. To the point that you don’t even know what you are trying to prove..
If devolves into a how we know what we know and never addresses what we know.
Just show be evidence for god... simple enough request.... then show us this god created anything..
Stop with the mental masterbation....
In the end, the dishonest is this. You don’t have faith in god because if how the universe was created. And when pushed into a corner because your evidence is bad.... you just say... we just take it on faith.... what is the point of even addressing science if you won’t follow the evidence... and believe something with no evidence....
To put it simply:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
So, you are saying first of all that you read the page on Why we know God exists? Thank you for reading it. Did you read either of the other two pages?
Michael, obviously there is a bias toward God on the page. The whole premise of the page is that God is. I begin where the Bible begins, Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Must have intelligence.
Can you demonstrate anything anywhere with intelligence or design that has been observed to come from a non-intelligence source?
God is the intelligence.
Provide a plausible alternative intelligence
Big Bang
I have done enough research on the subject to know that, even among the most respected evolutionary scientists, there is no agreement what the “big bang” was.
Where did God come from?
He is God Michael, we came from Him.
Men have known God exists the entire existence of mankind. My article provides ample and reasonable evidence for a man to seek to know the God that all men everywhere have known, talked of, written about, worshiped, and found guidance from.
So now it falls to you.
Provide observable, reproducible, repeatable evidence of another intelligence besides God.
Provide observable, reproducible, repeatable evidence of an intelligent design that has been manufactured from a non-intelligent cause.
Provide for me your understanding of what the big bang was
Thank again for reading and for the conversation.
We need to establish a god exists before continuing.... I doubt that will happen.
But you also have a problem. I think you would agree that your God has intelligence. What intelligent source did God come from?
It is not up to me to demonstrate, you are making the claim.
You say that God is that intelligence... without supporting the claim. The bible is not evidence. I can easily say universe pooping pixies created the universe. And you would have to accept it if I went by your logic.
Are you serious? I ask the question, where did God come from... and you answer a different question.
No, it does not fall to me. You make claims, support nothing and then think I have the burden of proof...
Do you have anything beyond the debunked claims you present?
The difference between you and me is not the existence of God, but the basis of our belief. You seem to deny the existence of God, but you have no proof. I do believe in the existence of God. I have a reasoned, rational, l and time tested argument for my faith. I would love for you to provide the same for your faith that God does not exist. As to the Bible, it is the authority supporting my faith that God exists. You must have some authority to support your faith that God does not exist. What would that authority be?
Burden of proof… The reason it falls to you is that I have presented my case. You have challenged my presentation, and I am happy you have done so. But since you are the challenger, I simply ask you to give some worked-out presentation of that challenge.
Honest Answers - Mocked
After seeing the advertisements for my web pages titled "Why? Honest Answers to Sincere Questions", rather than engaging in intelligent conversation, Walter preferred to attempt mockery through the use of multiple snide memes.
Walter
Please, provide proof/evidence of your Sky Daddy and your ridiculous claims.
(Walter then used a meme intended to mock Christians as having no evidence)
Please provide proof of the single cell organism all life is supposed to have evolved from. Please provide incontrovertible evidence that your faith is more than faith.
Walter
(responded with another meme attacking the concept of faith)
Exactly. As does the evolutionist. No factual evidence whatsoever. They just believe because they were told to believe.
Walter
We have know for over 200 years that evolution is true.
(He backed this claim with another meme meant to mock the Christian position of Creationism and another claiming that Christians are upset at atheists for holding us accountable.)
Evolution- the belief that one germ given enough time and mistakes can become all that exists in the earth
This is not scientific truth - only speculation. Evolution is unprovable, inconsistent with evidence and has multiple weird theories to attempt an answer to the inconsistencies. The only consistent foundation of evolution is an utter denial of God and a sledgehammer insistence that they be accepted without question
Walter
Do you read with comprehension?
I read. Do you?
I have presented clear arguments supported by science and reasonable evidence. So far all you’ve presented are silly memes designed to mock a position you almost certainly have never fully investigated
Walter
Evolution is not a belief. It is a fact. Prove me wrong.
No, prove it is a fact. Produce one piece of evolutionary theory that can be observed, tested and reproduced.
Honest Answers - Challenged
I created several pages on my website[1] meant to be used as an evangelistic tool. I’ve also created simple business cards to point people to those pages. I then began advertising those pages online in an effort to get people to read the pages and to share with others. The advertisements have been successful. In just a little over 5 days there have been over twenty-one hundred people reached with three hundred fifty people responding in some way. I have also been pleased to have had three people engage in conversations with me. I thought I would share those conversations here.
Ian
Lots of non-answers to real questions.
The Bible has been rewritten so many times there’s literally a 0% chance of it being true, I mean even before king James did his rewrite (which affected more than just the differences between them now) the romans basically penned the entire New Testament as propaganda for them taking over then-jerusalem
Me
Ian, you asked no questions. You made unfounded assertions. I would love to have an honest conversation with you.
Ian
Dude you’re wrong. you’re just trying to sell s— to gullible people, stop trying to “prove” it’s all real when even if it was it’s made to not be prove-able
The whole point of it is faith bro, what you’re doing is greed (a sin)
Me
Thanks for calling me “Bro” you at least recognize we are human kin.
May I ask where you have your “proof”? You see, it is as much an act of faith to deny what men have always known from their innermost being. I have 4000 years worth of documents, the most widely circulated, copied, and accepted in all the world. What hard evidence have you looked into to support your faith?
Ian
Yeah but you don’t really, you have a document that’s a few years that’s been copied and rewritten and translated probably billions of times
And what proof do you need? I’m not making any claims that a trip to a museum or a conversation with an archaeologist wouldn’t solve
I’m not acting on faith by saying “I don’t believe you” I’d be acting on faith if I believed you with no evidence being present
Just stop pretending you have the answers man, even the pope or your local pastor would tell you nobody has all the answers
Me
What you do is believe the museum curator or the archeologist without verifying their claims. Isn’t it true you assume they are correct because you assume Bible believers are incorrect? Isn’t it true that you have spent little to no actual time seriously researching your own position? Such is a position of faith. You believe because you have been led to believe. I have at least taken the time to consider the evidence on both sides. I have been to many museums. I have read many archeological pieces. How much time have you spent in a Bible believing church and in studying the Bible personally?
[1] https://marvinmckenzie.org/why
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