Showing posts with label James White. Show all posts
Showing posts with label James White. Show all posts

Baptist History Debunked?


James White has done it again.

Dr. White likes to speak about being gracious and charitable but he only means to Catholics, Mormons and Muslims. To fellow Christians, and especially to fellow Baptists, he can be mean spirited, harsh and sometimes even hateful.

In a recent Dividing Line[1] program entitled “Dogmatic Secularism Rises; the Politics of the Southern Baptist Convention[2] at about minute 39, White takes off on a message by Dr. Paige Patterson given at a college Chapel service. Patterson was addressing the issue of Calvinism within the Southern Baptist Convention and remarks that it belongs in Presbyterian churches, not Baptist. In his statements, Patterson links Baptists to Anabaptists, the Apostles and John the Baptist. It was at this point that White mockingly says, “You ain’t been reading the Trail of Blood again have you?”[3] From there he says there are many books that debunk the Anabaptist connection to modern Baptists.

Yes, Dr. White, and there are many that affirm it too.

Here’s the thing, on almost any given subject a person can find material to either support or deny any given position. Which material we tend to gravitate to depends largely upon one’s leaning. White confesses his own training was in schools where he was the “token Fundamentalist.” It is obvious that before he finished his education there was very little of Fundamentalism left. The influences in his life, together with his desire to be seen as an academic, has pulled him toward those positions that are the most widely accepted among his chosen group of peers, the Reformed.

Nothing concerning the Anabaptist lineage has been debunked. Writers, who lean toward Protestantism, reference books that keep church history in the Catholic line. Writers who see the error of Catholicism (and thus, Protestantism) reference works (generally much older ones) that maintain the gates of hell never prevailed against God’s churches as they did in Catholicism and then Protestantism.



Marvin McKenzie
In the fields


[1] A part of his Alpha and Omega Ministries, http://www.aomin.org/
[3] At about 46 minutes

James White's Opposition to "KJV Onlyism"


James White is a hero to many modern Calvinists, including Reformed Baptists. White takes frequent hits at those, even among the Reformed crowd, who hold to the “King James Only” position on the Bible. I admit that the groups that hold to KJV Only are diverse and some of the positions held on the KJV go much too far. However, there are legitimate arguments for the exclusive use of the King James Version of the Bible. In this article I want to address White’s arguments against the exclusive use of the King James Bible and offer a few answers.

His argument, as I understand it, against using the King James Version of the Bible exclusively:
A key passage, Psalms 12[1] is, according to him, misused.
This argument appeals to the academic but denies the spirit of God's Word. The Bible, and especially the Psalms, is filled with passages where the context appears to be one thing but there are obvious secondary lessons found in them. How would we have ever seen the allegory of Sarah and Hagar using strictly academic context? Yet we know the allegory is authoritative. So many of the Psalms jump from a Davidic context to prophesy clearly of the Saviour. There are too many passages that promise the first infallible preservation of God's Word to deny that this passage must also be included among them.

Interestingly, I have not heard White or anyone else for that matter, cite a passage suggesting that God would, as they claim He has done, preserve His infallible Word through a variety of corrupted but reliable enough manuscripts.

KJV onlyists must isolate the one KJV text that is the infallible one.
By insisting upon this, White demands of us what he claims is not necessary for himself: one perfect text. He claims to believe that we have the word of a God and that no Word of God has been lost. He just claims that it exists among thousands of manuscripts that don't agree. The scholar gets then the job of choosing for the masses what is the Word of God and what is not. He sets himself up in a place of perpetual awe before his inferiors who must wait upon him to declare for them what God has said.
My claim is that the KJV is the infallible word of God in fact. There may be editions with errors, but there is no error in the KJV as God illuminated the translators to record it.

KJV onlyists ignore historical fact to hold their traditional view of the Bible.
My claim is that White ignores the nature of God to hold his presumptive view that the Bible must contain errors that scholars may be employed to ferret out. I would rather side with God that He has preserved His Word perfectly than with historians who are inherently fallible and admittedly biased.

White dismisses the KJV only position as indefensible in the real world.
This of course is a matter of opinion. He claims he has taken his position into the world through debates with Muslims, atheists, Mormons and others. My observation, having listened now to numerous of his debates, has been that White claims himself to be the winner of these debates but that they are structured in such a way that both sides can make that claim if they choose.
White is the sort of man who, I doubt, ever sees himself as loosing.

Conclusion
White's position appears to me to be loosely based upon his understanding of the key texts and much more dependent upon his understanding of the history of the transmission of the Bible. He has a compelling motivation to forever keep the Bible in a state of incomplete perfection. It preserves his importance as a textual authority.





[1] White, who claims to dislike listening to people he believes yells too much, is himself very loud spoken and in very loud tones mockingly corrects those who would call the address Psalms 12 instead of Psalm 12. The fact is that many scholars past and present refer to a single address in the Psalms using the title of the book as a whole in the address. It is not an error to do so, it is rather one of White’s ways of belittling and marginalizing the person with whom he disagrees.  

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